Soon you will face the possibility that your local hair stylist or gym
may be shut down or simply the costs have increased. Small businesses
who drive much of the employment in our state are facing the day when
their independent contractors will be converted to become actual
employees of the business due to the state surpreme court. The IRS has
figured out how the process should be done for the determination of
their employment status instead of just making the independent
contractor status illegal in many of the service industries in our
state. If a company asks for too much control over the worker, then the
worker is an employee of the company.

Many people are perceiving that the State Surpreme Court did this is
because they want to grab more tax money. However, it should be the job
of the state legislature not the state courts to make this policy change
if they believe it should happen. However, decisions like this will only
lead to big corporations running the show for those services.



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Re: California helping to kil
By: Matthew Munson to All on Sun Sep 09 2018 10:22 am

Soon you will face the possibility that your local hair stylist or gym
may be shut down or simply the costs have increased. Small businesses
who drive much of the employment in our state are facing the day when
their independent contractors will be converted to become actual
employees of the business due to the state surpreme court. The IRS has figured out how the process should be done for the determination of
their employment status instead of just making the independent

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Re: California helping to kil
By: Matthew Munson to All on Sun Sep 09 2018 10:22 am

Soon you will face the possibility that your local hair stylist or gym
may be shut down or simply the costs have increased. Small businesses
who drive much of the employment in our state are facing the day when
their independent contractors will be converted to become actual
employees of the business due to the state surpreme court. The IRS has figured out how the process should be done for the determination of
their employment status instead of just making the independent
contractor status illegal in many of the service industries in our
state. If a company asks for too much control over the worker, then the worker is an employee of the company.

Many people are perceiving that the State Surpreme Court did this is
because they want to grab more tax money. However, it should be the job
of the state legislature not the state courts to make this policy change
if they believe it should happen. However, decisions like this will only lead to big corporations running the show for those services.

Now, I'm curious. What lead the State of California Supreme Court to make that decision? I cannot imagine it just them making that call on a whim.

-jag
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does this mean strippers will have to be hired as employees at the clubs now

if its happening to tattoo artists you'll likely see Stormy Daniels
being hired as an employee if its a short term gig.

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Now, I'm curious. What lead the State of California Supreme Court to make that
decision? I cannot imagine it just them making that call on a whim.

Its because the court was rulling on a delivery firm classifying their employees as independnet contractors so the court decided to make it
harder for most businesses to operate that way.

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Re: California helping to kil
By: Matthew Munson to JAGOSSEL on Wed Sep 12 2018 10:22:00

Now, I'm curious. What lead the State of California Supreme Court to make decision? I cannot imagine it just them making that call on a whim.

Its because the court was rulling on a delivery firm classifying their employees as independnet contractors so the court decided to make it
harder for most businesses to operate that way.

There are businesses here that do the same thing here in South Carolina: classify some employeees as independent contractors. I'm not sure how I feel about the State of California's decision. Something doesn't feel right about it, but I can't figure out what it is.

-jag
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Re: California helping to kil
By: Matthew Munson to MRO on Wed Sep 12 2018 10:21 am

does this mean strippers will have to be hired as employees at the
clubs now

if its happening to tattoo artists you'll likely see Stormy Daniels
being hired as an employee if its a short term gig.

It's good to put an empty line between the quoted message and your reply to make your message easier to read.

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Re: California helping to kil
By: Matthew Munson to MRO on Wed Sep 12 2018 10:21 am

does this mean strippers will have to be hired as employees at the clubs now

if its happening to tattoo artists you'll likely see Stormy Daniels
being hired as an employee if its a short term gig.

it's weird because tattoo artists and hair dressers 'rent' the space and do their work there usually.
i think it's a stupid attempt at a law.
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09-13-18 06:48 Jagossel wrote to Matthew Munson about California helping to kil Howdy! Jagossel,

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Re: California helping to kil
By: Matthew Munson to JAGOSSEL on Wed Sep 12 2018 10:22:00

Now, I'm curious. What lead the State of California Supreme Court to make decision? I cannot imagine it just them making that call on a whim.

Its because the court was rulling on a delivery firm classifying their employees as independnet contractors so the court decided to make it
harder for most businesses to operate that way.

There are businesses here that do the same thing here in South
Carolina: classify some employeees as independent contractors. I'm not sure how I feel about the State of California's decision. Something doesn't feel right about it, but I can't figure out what it is.

I live in Indiana.

Before I was hired by the U.S. Civil Service (CS) I had worked other places that deducted some money from my check for the Social Security's
Old Age and Survivor Pension, but hadn't work long enought to qualify for
a Pension from Social Security.

When I began working for CS their Retirement System (CSRS) began taking
a deduction from my check.

I was told before signing up for CSRS that if I wanted to stay with
having Social Security deducting from my pay but I could, but I couldn't
have deductions from my paycheck going to both retirement systems.

NOTE: That has changed, new employees now have Social Security deduction and
a small amount going to the Federal Employee Retirement System (FERS).

After I retired from CS, I wanted to work a few years to enable me to get
a Pension from Social Security.

I got a job cleaning up a building after the Day Crew left.

They asked me if I could work five hours Monday through Friday, and I tried
it but quit after a couple of weeks since I wanted to work 40 hours a week instead of the 25 hours they offered to me.

The next Year I waited for them to send me a W-2 Form but didn't get one
in the Mail so I went to their office and was told I hadn't been hired
as an "Employee" but as a "Contractor" and they hadn't sent any money to
the I.R.S. or Social Security or the State Revenue Office as "they"
believed a Contractor would do that for them self.

'Nuf Said.


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Re: California helping to kil
By: Matthew Munson to MRO on Wed Sep 12 2018 10:21 am

it's weird because tattoo artists and hair dressers 'rent' the space and do their work there usually.
i think it's a stupid attempt at a law.
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You are correct, so they are not "Independent Contractors" they are techically independent businesses. The "rent" for the space is a cost of doing business. An independent contractor is someone who bills a business for thier services and it is a highly exploited form of getting around the employer Social Security contribution. The federal "rule of thumb" on this is that if you are and independent contractor and get 100% of your business from one customer then you can be classified as an employee. My wife and I got stuck by the State of NY on this. She had a cleaning business where her "girls" were all independant. They were paid a % of what the customer paid. if they brought in new business they got a higher % of that contract. It all was working great. We were all making $, we even helped them with their taxes and SS, holding and paying it for those who did not want to be bothered. The NY labor department told is "they are employees, ether make them employees or we will sue you." We could not offer them the same money they were making if we made them employees so we ended up folding the business and told them to take their custiners and work for them themselves. Some did and some could not make it work. So, NY State's endevor to "protect" these workers actually hurt them costing some of them a good job they made great money at.

That is when we decided (among many other things) to get the hell out of NY and moved to Florida.

Clifra Jones
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09-13-18 06:48 Jagossel wrote to Matthew Munson about California helping to kil Howdy! Jagossel,

I live in Indiana.

Before I was hired by the U.S. Civil Service (CS) I had worked other places that deducted some money from my check for the Social Security's
Old Age and Survivor Pension, but hadn't work long enought to qualify for
a Pension from Social Security.

When I began working for CS their Retirement System (CSRS) began taking
a deduction from my check.

I was told before signing up for CSRS that if I wanted to stay with
having Social Security deducting from my pay but I could, but I couldn't
have deductions from my paycheck going to both retirement systems.

NOTE: That has changed, new employees now have Social Security deduction and a small amount going to the Federal Employee Retirement System (FERS).

After I retired from CS, I wanted to work a few years to enable me to get
a Pension from Social Security.

I got a job cleaning up a building after the Day Crew left.

They asked me if I could work five hours Monday through Friday, and I tried it but quit after a couple of weeks since I wanted to work 40 hours a week instead of the 25 hours they offered to me.

The next Year I waited for them to send me a W-2 Form but didn't get one
in the Mail so I went to their office and was told I hadn't been hired
as an "Employee" but as a "Contractor" and they hadn't sent any money to
the I.R.S. or Social Security or the State Revenue Office as "they"
believed a Contractor would do that for them self.

'Nuf Said.

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Did they send you a 1099? Without one you have nothing to file and the IRS has nothing to justify that you even earned that income. The fact that this was not (or was it and you missed it?) stated in your hiring agreement is a serious matter. Failure to tell someone that they are being contracted as a contractor and not an employee is a serious violation that can incurr huge penalties and even jail time.

Clifra Jones
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