• Brennan: Trump team had contact with Russia

    From CNN Breaking News@VERT to no-reply@siteservices.cnn.com on Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:15:44
    Former CIA Director John Brennan toldÿthe House intelligence committee Tuesday that Russia "brazenly interfered" in US elections, including actively contacting members of President Trump's campaign[1] -- but he stopped shy of dubbing it "collusion."

    "I saw interaction that in my mind raised questions of whether it was collusion," Brennan told Rep. Trey Gowdy, saying that he supported the FBI digging further. "It was necessary to pull threads."

    Brennan was asked about how Moscow recruits sources "wittingly and unwittingly."

    "Frequently, people who go along a treasonous path do not know they are on a treasonous path until it is too late," he said.

    Brennan cautioned lawmakers that although he could not definitively say if those contacts amounted to "collusion," he knew that Russians were actively cultivating US contacts and, very likely, did not present themselves as Russian spies.

    Brennan also said President Trump might have broken protocol if he revealed highly classified information with the Russian foreign minister and Russian ambassador to the US in a White House meeting earlier this month.

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to All on Tuesday, May 23, 2017 16:13:26
    Re: Brennan: Trump team had contact with Russia
    By: CNN Breaking News to no-reply@siteservices.cnn.com on Tue May 23 2017 10:15:44

    Former CIA Director John Brennan toldÿthe House intelligence committee Tuesd that Russia "brazenly interfered" in US elections, including actively contacting members of President Trump's campaign[1] -- but he stopped shy of dubbing it "collusion."

    Seriously? Still focused on this narrative, and ignoring the bombings that happened this past Monday in Manchester, England? Why ins't there any breaking news about the Manchester bombings?


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to CNN Breaking News on Wednesday, May 24, 2017 17:28:58
    Re: Brennan: Trump team had contact with Russia
    By: CNN Breaking News to no-reply@siteservices.cnn.com on Tue May 23 2017 10:15 am

    Former CIA Director John Brennan toldÿthe House intelligence committee Tuesday that Russia "brazenly interfered" in US elections, including actively contacting members of President Trump's campaign[1] -- but he stopped shy of dubbing it "collusion."

    "I saw interaction that in my mind raised questions of whether it was collusion," Brennan told Rep. Trey Gowdy, saying that he supported the FBI digging further. "It was necessary to pull threads."


    why didnt they pull threads when hillary was fucking things up.

    if russia had a hand in shit i'd like to thank russia.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JAGOSSEL on Wednesday, May 24, 2017 20:20:00
    Seriously? Still focused on this narrative, and ignoring the bombings that >happened this past Monday in Manchester, England? Why ins't there any breaking
    news about the Manchester bombings?

    They are just catching up, but won't spend much time on it, I am certain.
    They need to get back to spinning the country back to the way they want it.

    I am a little surprised that all of these "journalist" cannot put 2 and 2 together... if we become socialist, like they seem to want, freedom of the press is often one of the first things that goes by the wayside in countries that do that.

    They seem to be ignorant of that.

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Dumas Walker on Thursday, May 25, 2017 07:31:47
    Re: Brennan: Trump team had c
    By: Dumas Walker to JAGOSSEL on Wed May 24 2017 20:20:00

    They are just catching up, but won't spend much time on it, I am certain. They need to get back to spinning the country back to the way they want it.

    I am a little surprised that all of these "journalist" cannot put 2 and 2 together... if we become socialist, like they seem to want, freedom of the press is often one of the first things that goes by the wayside in countries that do that.

    They seem to be ignorant of that.

    Maybe if I just waited a little bit, I would have seen the reports.

    I will agree with you: if they continue to desire or push for a socialist or communistic country and if we get it, they WILL loose the freedom of the press and WILL have to report with whatever the government wants them to report.

    Ignorant of it, or just don't care? That's been my question lately.


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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Dumas Walker on Thursday, May 25, 2017 13:11:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to JAGOSSEL on 05-24-17 20:20 <=-


    I am a little surprised that all of these "journalist" cannot put 2 and
    2 together... if we become socialist, like they seem to want, freedom
    of the press is often one of the first things that goes by the wayside
    in countries that do that.

    They seem to be ignorant of that.

    Really... care to explain Canada or Australia?


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Bill McGarrity on Thursday, May 25, 2017 18:28:12
    Re: Brennan: Trump team had c
    By: Bill McGarrity to Dumas Walker on Thu May 25 2017 01:11 pm

    I am a little surprised that all of these "journalist" cannot put 2 and 2 together... if we become socialist, like they seem to want, freedom of the press is often one of the first things that goes by the wayside in countries that do that.

    They seem to be ignorant of that.

    Really... care to explain Canada or Australia?


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BILL MCGARRITY on Thursday, May 25, 2017 21:23:00
    I am a little surprised that all of these "journalist" cannot put 2 and
    2 together... if we become socialist, like they seem to want, freedom
    of the press is often one of the first things that goes by the wayside
    in countries that do that.
    They seem to be ignorant of that.

    Really... care to explain Canada or Australia?

    Or the USSR or North Korea or China? For that matter, Nazi Germany?

    There are a lot of ways that ball could bounce. I believe Canada and
    Australia are exceptions and not the norm.

    After all, doesn't Oz still allow their citizens to have guns? I think Canadians can at least have rifles. Pretty sure the young-to-middle-aged
    US socialist does not want you to have any such things. Freedom of speach hurts their wittle feelings, too, so freedom of the press wouldn't be too far behind that on the list of things that need regulating.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JAGOSSEL on Thursday, May 25, 2017 21:27:00
    Ignorant of it, or just don't care? That's been my question lately.

    There is an episode of the Simpsons where the new caster is lead to believe that a space shuttle mission has been taken over by giant ants. He wanted
    to be the first to welcome our new ant overlords.

    My guess is some of them don't care, so long as they get to be the ones on
    the TV telling us how it is.

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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Dumas Walker on Friday, May 26, 2017 00:35:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to BILL MCGARRITY on 05-25-17 21:23 <=-

    I am a little surprised that all of these "journalist" cannot put 2 and 2 together... if we become socialist, like they seem to want, freedom
    of the press is often one of the first things that goes by the wayside in countries that do that.
    They seem to be ignorant of that.

    Really... care to explain Canada or Australia?

    Or the USSR or North Korea or China? For that matter, Nazi Germany?

    It's no longer the USSR and it seems China is kicking our ass when it comes to capitalism. Nazi Germany was fascist. Better retake a civics lesson.

    There are a lot of ways that ball could bounce. I believe Canada and Australia are exceptions and not the norm.

    So you're saying the US can't be exceptional? Not very patriotic of you.

    After all, doesn't Oz still allow their citizens to have guns? I think Canadians can at least have rifles. Pretty sure the

    If I can remember correctly, both allow it but there is a process you need to go through. Regarding Oz, the author of gun control down there was John Howard, certainly not a friend of the liberals, yet according to his statements as determined by the Australian National University, homicide rate fell 59% and firearm suicide fell 65%. Pretty significant numbers. What I find hilarious with the card carrying NRA hardliners is the excuse they give for carrying... that being 'it's to keep the government in check'. Reality check, those that believe that are either naive or stupid who think their hand guns and rifles would put a dent in law enforcement. Look at the Branch Dividians. ow'd that work out for those gun-totting texans.

    young-to-middle-aged US socialist does not want you to have any such things. Freedom of speach hurts their wittle feelings, too, so freedom
    of the press wouldn't be too far behind that on the list of things that need regulating.

    The only one I hear of trampling the 1st Amendment is Trump, in wanting to ban the press but I'm sure you'll just come up with the 'fake press' excuse. It's going to be fun watching all your Trumpsters trying to work up excuses when he's living in the Trump wing at Leavenworth. Soon... :)


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Saturday, May 27, 2017 09:02:17
    Re: Brennan: Trump team had c
    By: Dumas Walker to BILL MCGARRITY on Thu May 25 2017 09:23 pm

    I am a little surprised that all of these "journalist" cannot put 2 an 2 together... if we become socialist, like they seem to want, freedom of the press is often one of the first things that goes by the wayside in countries that do that.
    They seem to be ignorant of that.

    Really... care to explain Canada or Australia?

    Or the USSR or North Korea or China? For that matter, Nazi Germany?

    There are a lot of ways that ball could bounce. I believe Canada and Australia are exceptions and not the norm.

    After all, doesn't Oz still allow their citizens to have guns? I think Canadians can at least have rifles. Pretty sure the young-to-middle-aged
    US socialist does not want you to have any such things. Freedom of speach hurts their wittle feelings, too, so freedom of the press wouldn't be too fa behind that on the list of things that need regulating.


    Huh?

    Australia Socialist?

    Care to explain how that is?

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BILL MCGARRITY on Friday, May 26, 2017 17:57:00
    Or the USSR or North Korea or China? For that matter, Nazi Germany?
    It's no longer the USSR and it seems China is kicking our ass when it comes to
    capitalism. Nazi Germany was fascist. Better retake a civics lesson.

    Hmmm... I wonder why those countries no longer exist or are resorting to capitalism? As for Germany... National Socialist, Nazi, fascist... while the type of government is supposedly different, there are a lot of "sames" in comparison to socialist/communist governments when it comes to freedoms.
    No free elections, often no voting unless you are a member of the party/the elite, no free press, often no freedom of and from religion, no free speach, etc.

    On the other hand, both countries you listed as examples... Canada and Australia... they may have some socialized programs, but they have market economies like ours. They are not really socialist countries.

    Sounds like I am not the one who needs a civics lesson.

    So you're saying the US can't be exceptional? Not very patriotic of you.

    The people who want us to be socialist are not exceptional so, no, if we go that route we will not be. Wanting us to be socialist is not at all partriotic. It forfeits the freedoms our forefathers founded the country
    on. Read some Thomas Jefferson sometime.

    After all, doesn't Oz still allow their citizens to have guns? I think Canadians can at least have rifles. Pretty sure the

    If I can remember correctly, both allow it but there is a process you need to >go through. Regarding Oz, the author of gun control down there was John >Howard, certainly not a friend of the liberals, yet according to his statements
    as determined by the Australian National University, homicide rate fell 59% and
    firearm suicide fell 65%. Pretty significant numbers.

    We also have some form of gun control. Unlike what the press tells you,
    you can't just walk into a store or show and buy a gun. Only way you can
    do that is through an illegal market... which is what the felons and gang members do.

    Chicago is more strict than the rest of the country. How far has their homocide rate fallen?

    The only one I hear of trampling the 1st Amendment is Trump, in wanting to ban >the press but I'm sure you'll just come up with the 'fake press' excuse. It's >going to be fun watching all your Trumpsters trying to work up excuses when >he's living in the Trump wing at Leavenworth. Soon... :)

    Oh I am not a Trumpster... funny how the far left (and right) assume you have to be "one or the other" all the time... I am a libertarian. Did not vote for him or Hillary.

    There was a time when the press knew that with their freedom came the responsibility to be... well, responsible. They don't give a damn what
    they do now. Editorials and opinion pieces were labeled as just that...
    the rest of the news was delivered in a factual way that let us decide
    about it. Now, everything is laced with opinion, and is repeated over and
    over and over. Very little actual news out there and, even when something newsworthy does happen, they will glance over it before going back to
    whatever the "message" is.

    I do believe Trump talks too much. I also believe that our other real
    choice this last time round was just as likely to be headed to the Federal Pen... maybe the ladies one in Lexington, but a Fed Pen nonetheless.

    Waiting for your "fake press" like excuse there... sure you have one, too. Saint Hillary was no where near as bad... yeah, yeah, whatever...

    Mike

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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Dumas Walker on Saturday, May 27, 2017 13:47:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to BILL MCGARRITY on 05-26-17 17:57 <=-

    Or the USSR or North Korea or China? For that matter, Nazi Germany?
    It's no longer the USSR and it seems China is kicking our ass when it comes
    to

    capitalism. Nazi Germany was fascist. Better retake a civics lesson.

    Hmmm... I wonder why those countries no longer exist or are resorting
    to capitalism? As for Germany... National Socialist, Nazi, fascist...

    Really?

    while the type of government is supposedly different, there are a lot
    of "sames" in comparison to socialist/communist governments when it
    comes to freedoms. No free elections, often no voting unless you are a member of the party/the elite, no free press, often no freedom of and
    from religion, no free speach, etc.

    I agree, oligarchy seems to be the new 'ism' in today's society. Exactly what's happening in Russia right now. No one here wants that type of government, at least I don't, but look around you, who's really pulling the strings of government. In a way, certain socialistic programs will take control away from those who have a financial stranglehold on both you and I.

    On the other hand, both countries you listed as examples... Canada and Australia... they may have some socialized programs, but they have
    market economies like ours. They are not really socialist countries.

    I agree not please tell me where I said I wanted the US to become a totally socialistic nation?

    Sounds like I am not the one who needs a civics lesson.

    If I didn't point out your non understanding between the difference of communism, socialism and fascism, you'd still be in the dark.

    So you're saying the US can't be exceptional? Not very patriotic of you.

    The people who want us to be socialist are not exceptional so, no, if
    we go that route we will not be. Wanting us to be socialist is not at
    all partriotic. It forfeits the freedoms our forefathers founded the country on. Read some Thomas Jefferson sometime.

    I see, yet you sit back and rely on socialistic programs everyday. From the preamble of the US Constitution...

    'We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...'

    Now tell me, what does 'promote the general welfare' mean to you? As a matter of fact, I can show you at least two of the above prerequsites have been swallowed whole by the new empending style of government just voted in. Sessions wants do to away with Justice and the latest Trumpcare wants to do away with 'general welfare' by leaving 23 million Americans without healthcare and who knows how many will be priced out of it. There in a nutshell is your oligarchy at work. SS is solvent and is completely funded by the American workforce. Tell me, why is there even a discussion about it being a drain on the budget? Answer, congress has borrowed $2.3 trillion from it and it's their way of sidestepping the repayment. Medicare as well is completely funded by the American workforce. I agree, Medicaid is a different beast but there is a real easy way of getting rid of that totally but it has to do with single payer and I'm sure you think that's too socialistic for your tastes. That's ok... let's just give the top 1% another $800 billion tax break... screw the 'general welfare' that you so eloquently stated our Forefathers had wrote.


    After all, doesn't Oz still allow their citizens to have guns? I think Canadians can at least have rifles. Pretty sure the

    If I can remember correctly, both allow it but there is a process you need to
    go through. Regarding Oz, the author of gun control down there was John
    Howard, certainly not a friend of the liberals, yet according to his statements

    as determined by the Australian National University, homicide rate fell 59% and

    firearm suicide fell 65%. Pretty significant numbers.

    We also have some form of gun control. Unlike what the press tells
    you, you can't just walk into a store or show and buy a gun. Only way
    you can do that is through an illegal market... which is what the
    felons and gang members do.

    Does that include private sales? Does that include the ability of selling firearms to the mentally handicapped? Just think, not, thanks to congress, a person, with a none mental issue, has the ability to purchase.

    Chicago is more strict than the rest of the country. How far has their homocide rate fallen?

    Tell me something, a little geography. How far is Chicago from Indiana? No one is denying the existance of a black market but what if Indiana firearm regulations were a little more inline with sanity?

    The only one I hear of trampling the 1st Amendment is Trump, in wanting to
    an
    the press but I'm sure you'll just come up with the 'fake press' excuse. It's
    going to be fun watching all your Trumpsters trying to work up excuses when
    he's living in the Trump wing at Leavenworth. Soon... :)

    Oh I am not a Trumpster... funny how the far left (and right) assume
    you have to be "one or the other" all the time... I am a libertarian.
    Did not vote for him or Hillary.

    I see, so tell me, would you do any one of the following:

    Call the police if your personal safety was threatened.
    Call the fire department if your home was on fire?
    Driven on any county, state and interstate highways?

    Shall I continue?

    The list can go on and on... but in the true spirit of 'libertarianism', if you've done any of the above you've defined yourself as a hypocrite.

    There was a time when the press knew that with their freedom came the responsibility to be... well, responsible. They don't give a damn what they do now. Editorials and opinion pieces were labeled as just
    that... the rest of the news was delivered in a factual way that let us decide about it. Now, everything is laced with opinion, and is
    repeated over and over and over. Very little actual news out there
    and, even when something newsworthy does happen, they will glance over
    it before going back to whatever the "message" is.

    The news is the news. If you just sit on one side of the fence and suck it all up as gospel, then you're a moron. It's up to each individual to find the truth. I sympathize with you in this regard.... as 'news' has become a $ maker rather than a source of honesty without the financial reward.

    I do believe Trump talks too much. I also believe that our other real choice this last time round was just as likely to be headed to the
    Federal Pen... maybe the ladies one in Lexington, but a Fed Pen nonetheless.

    I didn't vote for Hillary either. I voted for the Democratic party's platform. Why, are my reasons but I did have an advantage. I was born and raised in the NY area and I knew exactly what kind of man Trump was and is continuing to be along with the GOP platform of screwing the common man.

    Waiting for your "fake press" like excuse there... sure you have one,
    too. Saint Hillary was no where near as bad... yeah, yeah, whatever...

    Don't have to, Trump is proving that all by himself. Hey, remember Carrier, all those thousands of jobs he saved (was actually 740)... guess where they're going before Christmas. Better start singing Felix Navidad. Amazing how the citizens of Indiana paid United Technologies/Carrier $7 million in tax breaks to help pay for the automation used to toss those workers to the street.

    Then he insults German auto manufacturers when all three of them have mfg plants here in the US.. with BMW having 8,000+ US workers.

    He was so worried about emails yet he just spewed highly classified information to the Russians because he was 'bragging". Shall we talk about the discussion of military assets, aka nuclear submarines, positioning to a two bit dictator in the Philippines who he admires because he shoots his citizens possibly linked to drugs? Guess due process is next on the agenda here with Sessions in charge. Oh wait, he already did away with that giving law enforcement carte blanche power. How much interest does Sessions have in privately run prisons? Shall we talk about his willful defience to the emolument clause?

    It's funny, all the same nonsense came out of the Nixon administration when Watergate was happening. Funny how history always seems to repeat itself. This is a lot deeper that you realize. So deep, Sen. Hatch may want to think about getting his business cards ordered now.

    I have no issue with you being a liberatarian but there needs to be some resemblence of a centralized government to guide 340 million people. If not, then what is going to happen to all those red states, you know the ones that receive more $ in federal aide than they send in? How long would they survive? Face it, trickle down economics doesn't work. Do I feel the last administration solved the issues in 2008 properly.. not at all. If a bailout was to be made, then give it to those who owed the $ to these institutions to pay off their morgages. Either way, the money made it to the top and the economy would have been truely stimulated. Today, simply giving a tax break to the top 2% is not going to stimulate but further choke blue collar workers as it has already been proven under Reagan's plan.

    Enjoy your day...


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:22:00
    Huh?
    Australia Socialist?
    Care to explain how that is?

    That was Bill that said they were socialist. Australia, and Canada, are free-market economies. I actually get the impression that Australia may be even more free-market than the USA, but that may be my mistake.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to CNN Breaking News on Sunday, May 28, 2017 21:22:59
    Re: Brennan: Trump team had contact with Russia
    By: CNN Breaking News to no-reply@siteservices.cnn.com on Tue May 23 2017 10:15 am

    Former CIA Director John Brennan toldÿthe House intelligence committee Tuesday that Russia "brazenly interfered" in US elections, including actively contacting members of President Trump's campaign[1] -- but he stopped shy of dubbing it "collusion."

    Hmmm I remember that Russian officials also had contact with Hillary's Campaign, and what about Hillary selling 20% of American Uranium to Russia and Bill Clinton making vast amounts of money for speeches he gave in Russia?
    Was any of that collusion?

    "I saw interaction that in my mind raised questions of whether it was collusion," Brennan told Rep. Trey Gowdy, saying that he supported the FBI digging further. "It was necessary to pull threads."

    If the FBI digs further in the Trump campaign's involvment with Russian officials they need to also dig into Hillary's Involvement.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BILL MCGARRITY on Monday, May 29, 2017 13:30:00
    Hmmm... I wonder why those countries no longer exist or are resorting
    to capitalism? As for Germany... National Socialist, Nazi, fascist...
    Really?

    Yeah, really... they certainly are not resorting to capitalism because socialism worked so well for them. Granted, I think you have more aptly labeled Russia below...

    I agree, oligarchy seems to be the new 'ism' in today's society. Exactly what's
    happening in Russia right now. No one here wants that type of government, at >least I don't, but look around you, who's really pulling the strings of >government. In a way, certain socialistic programs will take control away from >those who have a financial stranglehold on both you and I.

    One of the definitions of socialism is a society where you get out of it what you put into it... the more you put in, the better off you are. That is not the type of socialism anyone here has ever tried to push for. They want the kind where the people who put in the most (the folks in the middle) get squeezed the most to try to pull up those that (1) are honestly having
    trouble, or (2) never ever put forth any effort, until everyone is equal.

    "Make-believe" equality is what they want.

    Oh, yeah, so long as they... the ruling class of politiicans and their rich doners... stay above it all.

    I agree not please tell me where I said I wanted the US to become a totally socialistic nation?

    I am pretty certain you did not. IIRC, this conversation started because I insinuated that there are those among us who would and that it is their
    view that is usually presented to us through the US media. I wondered why
    they in the media seem to want to bend us all towards that way of thinking
    when freedom of the press would be one of the first things to go.

    I am pretty certain, from all your posts, that you don't think that way.
    You seem to want to see some thing socialized while we remain a free-market society. I think Bernie Sanders might agree with you. I feel like the
    media and, based on their treatment of Bernie, the Democratic Pary would not.

    If I didn't point out your non understanding between the difference of communism, socialism and fascism, you'd still be in the dark.

    I know the difference at least as well, if not better, than you seem to. Their leadership all still act the same. Historically speaking, their motivations
    may sound different, but they ALL trample rights, and they all contain the seeds of their own failure. They ALL treat the press the same... "be our mouthpiece or lose your freedom (and maybe your life)."

    The rest of your post seems to be dedicated to asking why I use things that
    I pay taxes for. Because I pay for them would be the answer. I don't intentionally pay for people, who have rarely or ever been productive, to sit at home on their asses, but that is what damn near every Democratic Party politician wants out of my tax money. They have found a way to legally BUY VOTES with my money by giving all sorts of things to people who NEVER pay
    in.

    It is the government's job to protect the population, with things like policemen and firemen, and to provide for our infrastructure, via roads, bridges, and highways. It is NOT their job to be our parent, to be our nanny, to save us from our own stupidity, to redistribute wealth, or to try to make
    us all "equal" by giving the exceptional no incentive to be productive.

    You can bend the words of the Constitution all you want, but no where does
    it provide for any of that.

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    By: Dumas Walker to BILL MCGARRITY on Thu May 25 2017 09:23 pm

    After all, doesn't Oz still allow their citizens to have guns? I think Canadians can at least have rifles. Pretty sure the young-to-middle-aged
    US socialist does not want you to have any such things. Freedom of speach hurts their wittle feelings, too, so freedom of the press wouldn't be too fa behind that on the list of things that need regulating.


    I decided a long time ago that if I had to decide between the "freedom" to own an assault rifle or the "freedom" to not die of treatable diseases because I'm too poor to have health insurance, I'd choose health insurance.

    If that makes me a Marxist, ok. Just about every country in Europe is MORE socialist than we are, and have higher qualities of life. I think you're mistaken, and the USSR and China are exceptions. Now that Mao is long dead, China is even rapidly improving. These aren't failures of socialism, they're failures of totalitarianism. Mussolini wasn't a big fan of Communism either, but I'm sure he turned out ok, right?

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