• Your drum kit..

    From Frozen Fire@VERT/IMATRIX to Digital Man on Friday, August 16, 2002 19:40:00
    Where are you , and how many mics are you using? My drummer is using one at the multi-toms, 1 at the snares, and one at the double bass. Those in turn are picking up the hi-hats, and the rest of the brass. No matter how we adjust the inputs, he's either overpowering or can't be made out.. Just curious :)



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frozen Fire on Friday, August 16, 2002 17:45:12
    Re: Your drum kit..
    By: Frozen Fire to Digital Man on Fri Aug 16 2002 06:40 pm

    Where are you ,

    In southern California.

    and how many mics are you using?

    For *most* songs, I use 10 mics:

    o AKG D112 - 24" bass drum (probably the most important mic for a good sound)
    o Shure SM57 - snare drum (sometimes I play with others)
    o Sennheiser MD 421 II - 18" floor tom
    o Sennheiser E 504 - 12", 13", and 15" rack toms (separate mics for each)
    o Oktava MC-012 - ride cymbal and hi-hat (separate mics for each)
    o Shure SM81 - cymbal overheads (separate mics for right and left sides)

    When I use specialty drums (timbale, concert toms, etc.), I usually just mic them with an additional SM57 or two.

    My drummer is using one at
    multi-toms, 1 at the snares, and one at the double bass. Those in turn are picking up the hi-hats, and the rest of the brass. No matter how we adjust t inputs, he's either overpowering or can't be made out.. Just curious :)

    That's not nearly enough microphones. When you say "at the double bass", do you mean double bass drums, as in *two* bass drums? If so, he should have a separate microphone for *each* bass drum (assuming he actually uses both of them). Using a double-pedal (and a single bass drum) requires just one microphone.

    You *can* mic a drumset with only 3 microphones, if that's all you have, however they should be *good* quality mics with a good frequency response at a wide range. If you absolutely can't get more microphones, then don't "close mic" any of the drums. That means don't put the mic very close to any one drum or cymbal in particular, or that's all you're going to hear. With only 3 mics, you can pretty much forget about any stereo separation. I'd put one mic in front off (and near the top of) the bass drum to get the bass and some of the rack toms. I'd use the remaining two mics as overheads to pick-up the toms, snare, and cymbals, one for the right half of the kit and one for the left
    half of the kit.

    You didn't say how many drums or cymbals your drummer uses, and that's very important when considering how many mics should be used (and where). If I only had 3 mics to use, I'd reduce my kit to 4 or 5 drums, at most.

    Good luck!

    digital man

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  • From Frozen Fire@VERT/IMATRIX to Digital Man on Saturday, August 17, 2002 04:05:00
    Re: Your drum kit..
    By: Digital Man to Frozen Fire on Fri Aug 16 2002 17:45:00

    You didn't say how many drums or cymbals your drummer uses, and that's very important when considering how many mics should be used (and where). If I on had 3 mics to use, I'd reduce my kit to 4 or 5 drums, at most.

    Good luck!

    The mics aren't the problem. We're just _OUT_ of inputs. He has an old 4 channel pevay, I'm using my new mesa bogie 4 channel guitar amp, and my bass player has a carvin bass amp. Add vocals and we're loaded.

    He is playing a double bass kit (one bass per pedal). 1 Snare, 4 Toms, 1 rack of 5 multi toms, and the sabian chinese gong. I'm counting 12 mics total needed.. time to tell him to get a part time job :)

    I was spending more money on duck tape than I should be, so I broke down and got a new pedalboard and amp. I'm broke, hell we're all broke :)

    I'll tell him to move the mics away from the crash's & high hats.. try and catch 2 on the toms, and one a little farther away from the double bass set. (Beautiful black and white pearl kit).

    Now I remember why I ran a bulletin board and had a band years ago.. I just LOVE being broke :)



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frozen Fire on Monday, August 19, 2002 16:10:46
    Re: Your drum kit..
    By: Frozen Fire to Digital Man on Sat Aug 17 2002 03:05 am

    You didn't say how many drums or cymbals your drummer uses, and that's ve important when considering how many mics should be used (and where). If I had 3 mics to use, I'd reduce my kit to 4 or 5 drums, at most.

    Good luck!

    The mics aren't the problem. We're just _OUT_ of inputs. He has an old 4 channel pevay, I'm using my new mesa bogie 4 channel guitar amp, and my bass player has a carvin bass amp. Add vocals and we're loaded.

    He is playing a double bass kit (one bass per pedal). 1 Snare, 4 Toms, 1 rac of 5 multi toms,

    What's a "multi tom"? And how is different from a "Tom"?

    and the sabian chinese gong. I'm counting 12 mics total
    needed.. time to tell him to get a part time job :)

    Well that's 12 drums if my math is correct, so you'd need at least 16 mics (depending on the number and placement of the cymbals) to do a "prefessional" micing job.

    digital man

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  • From Frozen Fire@VERT/IMATRIX to Digital Man on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 07:00:00
    Re: Your drum kit..
    By: Digital Man to Frozen Fire on Mon Aug 19 2002 16:10:00

    Re: Your drum kit..
    By: Frozen Fire to Digital Man on Sat Aug 17 2002 03:05 am

    You didn't say how many drums or cymbals your drummer uses, and that's important when considering how many mics should be used (and where). I had 3 mics to use, I'd reduce my kit to 4 or 5 drums, at most.

    Good luck!

    The mics aren't the problem. We're just _OUT_ of inputs. He has an old 4 channel pevay, I'm using my new mesa bogie 4 channel guitar amp, and my b player has a carvin bass amp. Add vocals and we're loaded.

    He is playing a double bass kit (one bass per pedal). 1 Snare, 4 Toms, 1 of 5 multi toms,

    What's a "multi tom"? And how is different from a "Tom"?

    and the sabian chinese gong. I'm counting 12 mics total
    needed.. time to tell him to get a part time job :)

    Well that's 12 drums if my math is correct, so you'd need at least 16 mics (depending on the number and placement of the cymbals) to do a "prefessional micing job.

    digital man

    A multi tom is similar to the toms used by drum and bugle corps. Its got a great sound to lend with the madness we've been creating. You probablly have another term for them? I'm sure you've seen them. With drums, I point at each and say.. loud, louder, ayep.. this outta wake em up. Well, time to invest in a 20 channel mix. Hope to have some photos soon :)

    The places we'll end up playing have an ample supply of "mikes" at the bar. Though they can't pick up sound, by the time we arrive they are in no state to distinguish it. :)



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frozen Fire on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 13:33:55
    Re: Your drum kit..
    By: Frozen Fire to Digital Man on Tue Aug 20 2002 06:00 am

    You didn't say how many drums or cymbals your drummer uses, and tha important when considering how many mics should be used (and where) had 3 mics to use, I'd reduce my kit to 4 or 5 drums, at most.

    Good luck!

    The mics aren't the problem. We're just _OUT_ of inputs. He has an old channel pevay, I'm using my new mesa bogie 4 channel guitar amp, and m player has a carvin bass amp. Add vocals and we're loaded.

    He is playing a double bass kit (one bass per pedal). 1 Snare, 4 Toms, of 5 multi toms,

    What's a "multi tom"? And how is different from a "Tom"?

    and the sabian chinese gong. I'm counting 12 mics total
    needed.. time to tell him to get a part time job :)

    Well that's 12 drums if my math is correct, so you'd need at least 16 mic (depending on the number and placement of the cymbals) to do a "prefessio micing job.


    A multi tom is similar to the toms used by drum and bugle corps. Its got a great sound to lend with the madness we've been creating. You probablly have another term for them? I'm sure you've seen them. With drums, I point at eac and say.. loud, louder, ayep.. this outta wake em up. Well, time to invest i 20 channel mix. Hope to have some photos soon :)

    Well I still don't know you're referring to when you say "multi tom". Do you mean concert toms? How are they different from "normal" toms?

    digital man

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  • From Frozen Fire@VERT/IMATRIX to Digital Man on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 03:51:00
    Re: Your drum kit..
    By: Digital Man to Frozen Fire on Tue Aug 20 2002 13:33:00

    Re: Your drum kit..
    By: Frozen Fire to Digital Man on Tue Aug 20 2002 06:00 am

    You didn't say how many drums or cymbals your drummer uses, and important when considering how many mics should be used (and whe had 3 mics to use, I'd reduce my kit to 4 or 5 drums, at most.

    Good luck!

    The mics aren't the problem. We're just _OUT_ of inputs. He has an channel pevay, I'm using my new mesa bogie 4 channel guitar amp, an player has a carvin bass amp. Add vocals and we're loaded.

    He is playing a double bass kit (one bass per pedal). 1 Snare, 4 To of 5 multi toms,

    What's a "multi tom"? And how is different from a "Tom"?

    and the sabian chinese gong. I'm counting 12 mics total
    needed.. time to tell him to get a part time job :)

    Well that's 12 drums if my math is correct, so you'd need at least 16 (depending on the number and placement of the cymbals) to do a "prefes micing job.


    A multi tom is similar to the toms used by drum and bugle corps. Its got great sound to lend with the madness we've been creating. You probablly h another term for them? I'm sure you've seen them. With drums, I point at and say.. loud, louder, ayep.. this outta wake em up. Well, time to inves 20 channel mix. Hope to have some photos soon :)

    Well I still don't know you're referring to when you say "multi tom". Do you mean concert toms? How are they different from "normal" toms?

    digital man

    LOL, I'm not a drummer :) He calls them "Multi Toms". Its a steel bar approx 4" in length, with five heads of different sizes (in descending order) arranged on it.

    Would a picture be helpful?


    You'd often seen these used in a marching band.. Now you've got me doing sherades inbetween space bar hits.

    I'll find and post a url..



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frozen Fire on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 02:12:56
    Re: Your drum kit..
    By: Frozen Fire on Wed Aug 21 2002 02:51 am

    What's a "multi tom"? And how is different from a "Tom"?

    and the sabian chinese gong. I'm counting 12 mics total
    needed.. time to tell him to get a part time job :)

    Well that's 12 drums if my math is correct, so you'd need at least (depending on the number and placement of the cymbals) to do a "pre micing job.


    A multi tom is similar to the toms used by drum and bugle corps. Its g great sound to lend with the madness we've been creating. You probabll another term for them? I'm sure you've seen them. With drums, I point and say.. loud, louder, ayep.. this outta wake em up. Well, time to in 20 channel mix. Hope to have some photos soon :)

    Well I still don't know you're referring to when you say "multi tom". Do mean concert toms? How are they different from "normal" toms?

    digital man

    LOL, I'm not a drummer :) He calls them "Multi Toms". Its a steel bar approx in length, with five heads of different sizes (in descending order) arranged it.

    Now it sounds like you're describing "Rototoms". They're a pretty popular "cheap" alternative to concert toms. I own a couple of them myself still. :-)

    Would a picture be helpful?

    Yeah, is this what you're talking about: http://img.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/44/442900.jpg

    You'd often seen these used in a marching band..

    Hmmm... Maybe you mean tri-toms or quad-toms? Those are not normally used in a drum set, however.

    Now you've got me doing
    sherades inbetween space bar hits.

    I'll find and post a url..

    Okay.

    digital man

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