• Linn LM-1 With A.M.S.

    From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Friday, September 04, 2020 12:44:49
    Has anyone ever used this drum machine before?

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Friday, September 04, 2020 17:04:00
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    Has anyone ever used this drum machine before?

    Before *what*?



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Friday, September 04, 2020 17:43:00
    Before *what*?

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    Like in the olden days, the past.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Saturday, September 05, 2020 12:12:08
    Re: Re: Linn LM-1 With A.M.S.
    By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Fri Sep 04 2020 05:04 pm

    Has anyone ever used this drum machine before?

    Before *what*?

    Seriously? It's fairly common to use "before" this way. As in, at any time in the past.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Saturday, September 05, 2020 21:37:00
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    Re: Re: Linn LM-1 With A.M.S.
    By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Fri Sep 04 2020 05:04 pm

    Has anyone ever used this drum machine before?

    Before *what*?

    Seriously? It's fairly common to use "before" this way. As in,
    at any time in the past.

    I'd have to disagree in this particular example. The "Has anyone
    ever used" part of the sentence makes the "before" redundant and
    unnecessary.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Saturday, September 05, 2020 21:22:35
    Re: Re: Linn LM-1 With A.M.S.
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Sat Sep 05 2020 09:37 pm

    Has anyone ever used this drum machine before?

    Before *what*?

    Seriously? It's fairly common to use "before" this way. As in,
    at any time in the past.

    I'd have to disagree in this particular example. The "Has anyone
    ever used" part of the sentence makes the "before" redundant and unnecessary.

    I've heard people say this all the time though..

    Nightfox

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Sunday, September 06, 2020 09:15:58
    Re: Re: Linn LM-1 With A.M.S.
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sat Sep 05 2020 12:12 pm

    Has anyone ever used this drum machine before?

    Yes. I have. It fills in nicely when playing solo or duo.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Sunday, September 06, 2020 09:34:41
    Re: Re: Linn LM-1 With A.M.S.
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Sun Sep 06 2020 07:45 am

    I'd have to disagree in this particular example. The "Has anyone
    ever used" part of the sentence makes the "before" redundant and
    unnecessary.

    I've heard people say this all the time though..

    Well yes, no doubt. That doesn't make it any more correct,
    though. It's very poor English - lazy and sloppy.

    I'm reminded of the saying that my parents would occasionally ask
    me: Just because everyone else is jumping off that cliff doesn't
    mean that you should too.

    I think this is far from the worst grammatical mistakes people make.. It may be redundant, but I guess I hadn't really thought of it is very sloppy. I think "PIN number" and "ATM machine" are worse than this. And there are other things that I think are even worse. :)

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Sunday, September 06, 2020 22:35:00
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I'd have to disagree in this particular example. The "Has anyone
    ever used" part of the sentence makes the "before" redundant and
    unnecessary.

    I've heard people say this all the time though..

    Well yes, no doubt. That doesn't make it any more correct,
    though. It's very poor English - lazy and sloppy.

    I'm reminded of the saying that my parents would occasionally ask
    me: Just because everyone else is jumping off that cliff doesn't
    mean that you should too.

    I think this is far from the worst grammatical mistakes people
    make.. It may be redundant, but I guess I hadn't really thought
    of it is very sloppy. I think "PIN number" and "ATM machine" are
    worse than this. And there are other things that I think are
    even worse. :)

    No argument with any of that. I guess it's just the way that "TM"
    makes his posts. Almost all of them are like that - redundant and
    ridiculous. Yes, there are plenty of things worse... don't even
    get me started on the to/too, their/there/they're, your/you're,
    etc... :-)



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Monday, September 07, 2020 13:36:01
    No argument with any of that. I guess it's just the way that "TM"
    makes his posts. Almost all of them are like that - redundant and ridiculous. Yes, there are plenty of things worse... don't even
    get me started on the to/too, their/there/they're, your/you're,
    etc... :-)

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    Funny because that's what ppl say about you too.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Monday, September 07, 2020 16:48:17
    Re: Re: Linn LM-1 With A.M.S.
    By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Mon Sep 07 2020 01:36 pm

    No argument with any of that. I guess it's just the way that "TM"
    makes his posts. Almost all of them are like that - redundant and
    ridiculous. Yes, there are plenty of things worse... don't even

    Funny because that's what ppl say about you too.

    Who has said that about Gamgee? I haven't seen anyone say that about him.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Monday, September 07, 2020 19:49:00
    The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-

    No argument with any of that. I guess it's just the way that "TM"
    makes his posts. Almost all of them are like that - redundant and ridiculous. Yes, there are plenty of things worse... don't even
    get me started on the to/too, their/there/they're, your/you're,
    etc... :-)

    Funny because that's what ppl say about you too.

    Really? What ppl say that about me? Be specific, please.

    Are you 12 years old?



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Monday, September 07, 2020 20:53:40
    Really? What ppl say that about me? Be specific, please.

    Are you 12 years old?

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    I wish I was but not in this day of age. I am 56 years old who is still acting like a teenager. I had to grow up early as a kid to become an adult at the age of 11 and never got to fully enjoy my teen years properly. Young at heart, old in body I guess you could say.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Monday, September 07, 2020 22:16:58
    Re: Re: Linn LM-1 With A.M.S.
    By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Mon Sep 07 2020 08:53 pm

    I am 56 years old who is still
    acting like a teenager.

    That's for sure.

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  • From calcmandan@VERT/DIGDIST to Nightfox on Thursday, September 10, 2020 06:42:00
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: Linn LM-1 With A.M.S.
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Sat Sep 05 2020 09:37 pm

    Has anyone ever used this drum machine before?

    Before *what*?

    Seriously? It's fairly common to use "before" this way. As in,
    at any time in the past.

    I'd have to disagree in this particular example. The "Has anyone
    ever used" part of the sentence makes the "before" redundant and unnecessary.

    I've heard people say this all the time though..

    While, Ga is right in saying it's redundant, our utilization of the English language isn't perfect. As such, like Nightfox said, it's common parlance to use
    the word 'before' in this context. You could probably remove the redundancy by removing the word 'ever.' If I were writing a paper to be graded in a college class or a memo for work, it would read like this:

    Has anyone used this drum machine?

    My college comp professor would always beat the drum about removing excess words
    from sentences that don't carry extra meaning but are simply filler to meet a word-count requirement.

    This is a BBS echo and hardly an environment to be intensely nitpicky with grammar. May as well criticize every thread if you're going to go there.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to calcmandan on Thursday, September 10, 2020 08:12:15
    Re: Re: Linn LM-1 With A.M.S.
    By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Thu Sep 10 2020 06:42 am

    While, Ga is right in saying it's redundant, our utilization of the English language isn't perfect. As such, like Nightfox said, it's common parlance to use
    the word 'before' in this context. You could probably remove the redundancy by removing the word 'ever.' If I were writing a paper to be graded in a college class or a memo for work, it would read like this:

    Has anyone used this drum machine?

    My college comp professor would always beat the drum about removing excess words
    from sentences that don't carry extra meaning but are simply filler to meet a word-count requirement.

    This is a BBS echo and hardly an environment to be intensely nitpicky with grammar. May as well criticize every thread if you're going to go there.

    Yep. Also, in the above example, I don't think it really even sounds bad to have "ever" or "before" in there. I think it's still grammatically correct to have "ever" (as in "Has anyone ever used this drum machine?"). I'm not sure if having "before" at the end is grammatically correct, but I still think the meaning is fairly clear. I don't think it's of much use to nitpick over that.

    Nightfox

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  • From calcmandan@VERT/DIGDIST to Nightfox on Saturday, September 12, 2020 06:55:00
    Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-

    Re: Re: Linn LM-1 With A.M.S.
    By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Thu Sep 10 2020 06:42 am

    While, Ga is right in saying it's redundant, our utilization of the English language isn't perfect. As such, like Nightfox said, it's common parlance to use
    the word 'before' in this context. You could probably remove the redundancy by removing the word 'ever.' If I were writing a paper to be graded in a college class or a memo for work, it would read like this:

    Has anyone used this drum machine?

    My college comp professor would always beat the drum about removing excess words
    from sentences that don't carry extra meaning but are simply filler to meet a word-count requirement.

    This is a BBS echo and hardly an environment to be intensely nitpicky with grammar. May as well criticize every thread if you're going to go there.

    Yep. Also, in the above example, I don't think it really even sounds
    bad to have "ever" or "before" in there. I think it's still
    grammatically correct to have "ever" (as in "Has anyone ever used this drum machine?"). I'm not sure if having "before" at the end is grammatically correct, but I still think the meaning is fairly clear.
    I don't think it's of much use to nitpick over that.

    You hit on a meaningful point regarding clarity. If an extra word alters a sentence's meaning in a way that leads to confusion over context, then it should
    be removed. But, if the word's presence does nothing to change the meaning, but reinforces the weight of redundant word in the phrase, then the word can stay or
    be removed. I guess it just makes the sentence a bit wordy.

    Your version of the phrase 'has anyone ever used this drum machine'
    lends a tinge of urgency without altering the meaning. 'Has anyone used this drum machine?' drops the word, implies the same exact meaning, but drops the urgency. Both appear to be grammatically correct in my view.

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